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- [Portfolio Optimization](https://innerspace.io/portfolio-optimization)
- [Higher Education](https://innerspace.io/higher-education)
- [Space Utilization](https://innerspace.io/space-utilization)
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- [Blog](https://blog.innerspace.io)
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###### a podcast by InnerSpace
Welcome to the InnPact Podcast by InnerSpace,
where we explore bold ideas shaping the future of the workplace.
### All Episodes
---
Episode #6
##### Rethinking Hybrid Work & the Future of the Workplace
What makes a workplace truly effective, and who are we designing it for? In this episode of the InnPact Podcast by InnerSpace, host Jennifer Shannon sits down with Kay Sargent, Director of Thought Leadership for Interiors at HOK and author of Designing Neuro Inclusive Workplaces, to explore how workplace design, hybrid work strategies, and human-centered thinking are reshaping the future of work.
In this conversation, listeners will learn why many hybrid work strategies fail in execution, how organizations can move beyond one-size-fits-all workplace models, and why neuro-inclusive design benefits everyone, not just neurodivergent employees. Kay shares practical insights on creating environments that support focus, collaboration, well-being, and performance, while challenging leaders to rethink workplace experience, employee autonomy, and what it really means to design for people. From workplace strategy and organizational culture to sensory design and employee experience, this episode offers a fresh perspective on building workplaces where individuals and organizations can thrive.
|  Host: | [Jennifer Shannon](https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifermshannon/) |
| --- | --- |
| Guests: | [Kay Sargent](https://www.linkedin.com/in/kay-sargent-53b2431/) |
| Producer: | [Maria Sanchez](https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpsanchezp/) |
[](https://open.spotify.com/episode/5piGjPPbcXVB0CTwbrgWPM?si=d46_FEunRzSgjK30FtzXew)
[](https://youtu.be/KpnhNcDdA94)
Episode #5
##### When Strategy Stalls: Fixing Execution in CRE & FM Transformations
What actually causes workplace transformations to succeed, or quietly fall apart? In this episode of the InnPact Podcast by InnerSpace, host Jennifer Shannon speaks with global real estate and facilities executive Amanda Muzzarelli about the operational realities behind enterprise change, outsourcing transitions, and workplace transformation.
In this episode, listeners will learn why strategy alone is never enough, how complexity and competing priorities create breakdowns in execution, and what leaders need to do to build alignment across legal, finance, IT, operations, and workplace teams. Amanda also shares practical insights on managing supplier transitions, reducing organizational friction, and why reinforcement, communication, and measurement are critical to making transformation stick.
|  Host: | [Jennifer Shannon](https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifermshannon/) |
| --- | --- |
| Guests: | [Amanda Muzzarelli](https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandamuzzarelli/) |
| Producer: | [Maria Sanchez](https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpsanchezp/) |
[](https://open.spotify.com/episode/6fvfO39uudfqavZbT83YyJ?si=rx0MqrDkRsmm1KvkyTbiXw)
[](https://youtu.be/YN82DJJYBAY)
Episode #4
##### Do We Have Enough Space? The Data Gap Behind Workplace Decisions
What does it take to create a workplace that truly works in the era of hybrid work and return-to-office mandates? In this episode of the **InnPact Podcast by InnerSpace,** host **Jennifer Shannon** speaks with workplace strategy and real property leader **Sonia Powell** about the challenges organizations face as they navigate **RTO, hybrid work, and workplace transformation**.
In this episode, you’ll learn why **badge swipes and basic occupancy data aren’t enough**, how the gap between **workplace perception and reality** impacts decision-making, and what organizations should measure to better understand **office utilization, employee experience, and workplace performance.**
|  Host: | [Jennifer Shannon](https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifermshannon/) |
| --- | --- |
| Guests: | [Sonia Powell](https://www.linkedin.com/in/sonia-powell-2917702b/) |
| Producer: | [Maria Sanchez](https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpsanchezp/) |
[](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3fTNywpYKPCS2o64aC2Jhi?si=w70WorMNRAO-PGGI7sN7tA)
[](https://youtu.be/vPWoR-rxJj8)
Episode #3
##### Beyond the Floorplan: Human-Centric Design That Actually Works
In this episode of the Impact Podcast by InnerSpace, host Jennifer Shannon sits down with Mette Johansson Keating, founder of Metaspace, to explore how workplace design shapes human behavior, well-being, and performance. Drawing on neuroscience, Danish design principles, biophilia, and leadership strategy, Mette shares why one-size-fits-all offices no longer work, and how intentional, human-centric spaces can build trust, spark creativity, and help people truly thrive at work.
|  Host: | [Jennifer Shannon](https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifermshannon/) |
| --- | --- |
| Guests: | [Mette Johansen Keating](https://www.linkedin.com/in/mettekeating/) |
| Producer: | [Maria Sanchez](https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpsanchezp/) |
|  Resources: | [Mette Space](https://www.mette.space/), Purchase Mette’s Book - [Space That Speaks](https://www.amazon.ca/dp/1774586215?ref=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_7BZRCS33DPKEKSMSSPD3&ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_7BZRCS33DPKEKSMSSPD3&social_share=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_7BZRCS33DPKEKSMSSPD3&bestFormat=true&previewDohEventScheduleTesting=C) |
[](https://open.spotify.com/episode/4FEul0weKoI4EGPTthHySm?si=2HF2DByjT2GUHlICXdCITw)
[](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFXleeew_V4&list=PL0DlQsXTDKXc9Fj34nLtxpRl39POwGDwC&index=3)
Episode #2
##### Work Reimagined: Trends Transforming 2026
In this episode of the InnPact Podcast by InnerSpace, host Jennifer Shannon speaks with workplace strategist Kevin Sauer and InnerSpace’s Director of Client Services Brennan Stang about what 2025 taught us and how it is reshaping the future of work.
They unpack why last year marked the end of workplace guesswork, how RTO became a constant cycle of adjustments, and why multi source intelligence is now essential for understanding what people actually need from their workplaces. With real insights from the field, they explore how employee experience is becoming the closest measure of productivity and what leaders should focus on as they prepare for 2026.
|  Host: | [Jennifer Shannon](https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifermshannon/) |
| --- | --- |
| Guests: | [Brennan Stang](https://www.linkedin.com/in/brennan-stang-/)[,](https://www.linkedin.com/in/brennan-stang-/) [Kevin L. Sauer](https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinsauer/) |
| Producer: | [Maria Sanchez](https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpsanchezp/) |
|  Resources: | [The Future Is Human Centered: What 2025 Taught Us About the Workplace and What Is Coming in 2026](https://blog.innerspace.io/the-future-is-human-centered-what-2025-taught-us-about-the-workplace-and-what-is-coming-in-2026) |
[](https://open.spotify.com/episode/31VT1mnDvD44BiQnsG0whp?si=BdfKcfGnT468zSIU1z4ahg)
[](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du3nX9KHhkw&list=PL0DlQsXTDKXc9Fj34nLtxpRl39POwGDwC&index=4)
Episode #1
##### Designing Workspaces People Actually Want to Use
In this episode of the InnPact Podcast by InnerSpace, host Jennifer Shannon talks with Dave Cairns, Future of Work Strategist at Kadence, and James Wu, CEO and Co-founder of InnerSpace, about creating workspaces people actually want to use.
They explore why purpose matters more than presence, how to measure behavior beyond badge swipes, and how to use insights to improve engagement, well-being, and sustainability. Real examples and practical tips show how thoughtful design can transform workplace culture.
|  Host: | [Jennifer Shannon](https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifermshannon/) |
| --- | --- |
| [](https://www.linkedin.com/in/dave-cairns-5644a233/)Guests: | [James Wu](https://www.linkedin.com/in/wuj3888/), [Dave Cairns](https://www.linkedin.com/in/dave-cairns-5644a233/) |
| Producer: | [Maria Sanchez](https://www.linkedin.com/in/mpsanchezp/) |
|  Resources: | [Nick Bloom](https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-bloom-stanford/), [Atlassian office report](https://www.atlassian.com/solutions/distributed/lessons-learned), [Coffee badging blog](https://blog.innerspace.io/coffee-badging) |
[](https://open.spotify.com/show/4LgvOhrhuJrVopDICJLQBh)
[](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7VtmfNV9Ww&list=PL0DlQsXTDKXc9Fj34nLtxpRl39POwGDwC&index=5)
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